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		<title>Comment on Margaret Cho by cealgeRex</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,<br />
I am, Donald<br />
good overall content<br />
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		<title>Comment on Margaret Cho by megglez2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>megglez2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 03:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your incorporation of Cho&#039;s stand-up and the other theorists we&#039;ve studied was great.  I also have to agree with both you and Keva about her rapid weight loss to please the television producers.  Our society has become so twisted that she was forced to see herself as overweight and not good enough to play herself on TV.  That&#039;s just messed up.  I really wish we could have had more theorists like her throughout the semester!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your incorporation of Cho&#8217;s stand-up and the other theorists we&#8217;ve studied was great.  I also have to agree with both you and Keva about her rapid weight loss to please the television producers.  Our society has become so twisted that she was forced to see herself as overweight and not good enough to play herself on TV.  That&#8217;s just messed up.  I really wish we could have had more theorists like her throughout the semester!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Horkeimer and Adorno by Carnival &#171; Welcome To Theory Carnival 4</title>
		<link>http://joei5.wordpress.com/2007/04/11/horkeimer-and-adorno/#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator>Carnival &#171; Welcome To Theory Carnival 4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 02:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have become products, and they are not apologizing for it.  Joei comments on this in her blog (http://joei5.wordpress.com/2007/04/11/horkeimer-and-adorno/)  Joei writes, &#8220; I think they’re also saying how the producers don’t care if their [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have become products, and they are not apologizing for it.  Joei comments on this in her blog (<a href="http://joei5.wordpress.com/2007/04/11/horkeimer-and-adorno/) " rel="nofollow">http://joei5.wordpress.com/2007/04/11/horkeimer-and-adorno/) </a> Joei writes, &#8220; I think they’re also saying how the producers don’t care if their [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Donna Haraway by elizabeth0509</title>
		<link>http://joei5.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/donna-haraway/#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>elizabeth0509</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Joei,

wow, it seems you&#039;re pretty popular today with this blog post hehe.  After reading your blog I saw a lot of connections between ours.  I think the connection with Butler is really good.  I wrote about this in my blog too if you want to take a look and I also wrote about maybe a connection with Rubin and Althusser.  Rubin, obviously because she talks about women and Althusser maybe because he focuses on like a class struggle, similar to that of the struggle that women had to go through for inequality.  This may be a little out there haha, but it might fit in.  This relates to the quote that you used in your blog from 2280, which I used as well!  It seems that you understood this reading pretty well.  As for the biology part, I wasn&#039;t sure what to make of it.  I think your Deleuze and Guattari relation might work here, I wasn&#039;t sure what to write about those two so nice job!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Joei,</p>
<p>wow, it seems you&#8217;re pretty popular today with this blog post hehe.  After reading your blog I saw a lot of connections between ours.  I think the connection with Butler is really good.  I wrote about this in my blog too if you want to take a look and I also wrote about maybe a connection with Rubin and Althusser.  Rubin, obviously because she talks about women and Althusser maybe because he focuses on like a class struggle, similar to that of the struggle that women had to go through for inequality.  This may be a little out there haha, but it might fit in.  This relates to the quote that you used in your blog from 2280, which I used as well!  It seems that you understood this reading pretty well.  As for the biology part, I wasn&#8217;t sure what to make of it.  I think your Deleuze and Guattari relation might work here, I wasn&#8217;t sure what to write about those two so nice job!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Donna Haraway by Marina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 14:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Joie,

I think you’re on the right track with Haraway and Butler connection in this text. It seems that Haraway is aiming for the same genderless society as Butler was. In fact I don&#039;t think you are wrong for tying in Butler at all.  On page 2270 Haraway states, 
&quot;It is also an effort to contribute to socialist-feminist culture and       theory in a post-modernist, non-naturalist mode and in the utopian tradition of imagining a world without gender, which is perhaps a world without genesis, but maybe also a world without end.&quot; 
I think for Haraway it’s hard to imagine the cyborg in existence without being in a post-gender world?!?!


-Marina</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Joie,</p>
<p>I think you’re on the right track with Haraway and Butler connection in this text. It seems that Haraway is aiming for the same genderless society as Butler was. In fact I don&#8217;t think you are wrong for tying in Butler at all.  On page 2270 Haraway states,<br />
&#8220;It is also an effort to contribute to socialist-feminist culture and       theory in a post-modernist, non-naturalist mode and in the utopian tradition of imagining a world without gender, which is perhaps a world without genesis, but maybe also a world without end.&#8221;<br />
I think for Haraway it’s hard to imagine the cyborg in existence without being in a post-gender world?!?!</p>
<p>-Marina</p>
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		<title>Comment on Donna Haraway by atticfox</title>
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		<dc:creator>atticfox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 18:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Joie,

My take on page 2269, where Haraway says, “Modern medicine is also full of cyborgs, of couplings between organism and machine, each conceived as coded devices…” is that people are no longer being seen as the sum of all their parts. The medical realm has created artificial limbs, and thus human/machine hybrids. Do we consider these hybrid people/cyborgs any less human, male or female? No. 

This leads directly into the next quote you pulled from the text.
 
&lt;blockquote&gt;Identities seem contradictory, partial, and strategic. With the hard-won recognition of their social and historical constitution, gender, race, and class cannot provide the basis for belief in &quot;essential” unity. There is nothing about being “female” that naturally binds women. (2275)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think you are right to bring up Butler here. Gender, in our society, is based on biological parts, yet Butler says that maleness or femaleness is not a &quot;natural&quot; assumption based on these parts. If some men are born with ovaries and breasts, women with male genetailia, or even women who undergo hysterectomies, all of these provide a gray area within the dichotomy of &quot;men&quot; or &quot;women.&quot; To invert this system of doubt among the categories, the same holds true for women as a collective. Being female, possessing the required parts, does not create unity among the group. As Haraway points out, society, history, difference in race, class, and gender are divisive. 

I think the end game is that cyborgs hold the key to possibility in that they breach the boundaries of dualism. The list on page 2296 shows all the ways that cyborgs circumvent the categories. This circumvention can lead to freedom because the categories no longer hold true.

-Kim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Joie,</p>
<p>My take on page 2269, where Haraway says, “Modern medicine is also full of cyborgs, of couplings between organism and machine, each conceived as coded devices…” is that people are no longer being seen as the sum of all their parts. The medical realm has created artificial limbs, and thus human/machine hybrids. Do we consider these hybrid people/cyborgs any less human, male or female? No. </p>
<p>This leads directly into the next quote you pulled from the text.</p>
<blockquote><p>Identities seem contradictory, partial, and strategic. With the hard-won recognition of their social and historical constitution, gender, race, and class cannot provide the basis for belief in &#8220;essential” unity. There is nothing about being “female” that naturally binds women. (2275)</p></blockquote>
<p>I think you are right to bring up Butler here. Gender, in our society, is based on biological parts, yet Butler says that maleness or femaleness is not a &#8220;natural&#8221; assumption based on these parts. If some men are born with ovaries and breasts, women with male genetailia, or even women who undergo hysterectomies, all of these provide a gray area within the dichotomy of &#8220;men&#8221; or &#8220;women.&#8221; To invert this system of doubt among the categories, the same holds true for women as a collective. Being female, possessing the required parts, does not create unity among the group. As Haraway points out, society, history, difference in race, class, and gender are divisive. </p>
<p>I think the end game is that cyborgs hold the key to possibility in that they breach the boundaries of dualism. The list on page 2296 shows all the ways that cyborgs circumvent the categories. This circumvention can lead to freedom because the categories no longer hold true.</p>
<p>-Kim</p>
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		<title>Comment on Jean Baudrillard by ryancallander</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryancallander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joei

To talk about Disneyland, what I got from that part of the article was that we created Disneyland, as well as places like that, in an attempt to reaffirm ourselves that what we have is real.  Disney and all other amusement parks are places of fantasy with things that do not exist on the outside, this is meant to prove that our lives are real because they are not like Disneyland.  Baudrillard is saying that is not true, &quot;Disneyland is presented as imaginary in order to make us believe that the rest is real, when in fact all of Los Angeles and the America surrounding it are no longer real, but of the order of the hyperreal and of simulation.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joei</p>
<p>To talk about Disneyland, what I got from that part of the article was that we created Disneyland, as well as places like that, in an attempt to reaffirm ourselves that what we have is real.  Disney and all other amusement parks are places of fantasy with things that do not exist on the outside, this is meant to prove that our lives are real because they are not like Disneyland.  Baudrillard is saying that is not true, &#8220;Disneyland is presented as imaginary in order to make us believe that the rest is real, when in fact all of Los Angeles and the America surrounding it are no longer real, but of the order of the hyperreal and of simulation.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Jean Baudrillard by elizabeth0509</title>
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		<dc:creator>elizabeth0509</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 23:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey Joei.  I was hoping that the class discussion today was going to help me out a lot on this reading but obviously that didn&#039;t happen because we didn&#039;t have class haha.  I agreed with a lot of your blog.  I found this piece to be pretty confusing too.  As for the Disneyland part, I found it really interesting too and it seems like you had a really good take on it.  I wrote about the part that he wrote about being &quot;sick&quot; as well, I found it really interesting and it was one of the few portions that made sense to me.  The religion part really threw me off, I thought maybe it might relate to Derrida in some ways but hopefully the class discussion will clear this up for us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey Joei.  I was hoping that the class discussion today was going to help me out a lot on this reading but obviously that didn&#8217;t happen because we didn&#8217;t have class haha.  I agreed with a lot of your blog.  I found this piece to be pretty confusing too.  As for the Disneyland part, I found it really interesting too and it seems like you had a really good take on it.  I wrote about the part that he wrote about being &#8220;sick&#8221; as well, I found it really interesting and it was one of the few portions that made sense to me.  The religion part really threw me off, I thought maybe it might relate to Derrida in some ways but hopefully the class discussion will clear this up for us!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Jean Baudrillard by estherspace</title>
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		<dc:creator>estherspace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 02:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Disneyland thing...I think that is exactly what Baudrillard is aiming for.  We like to think that this place has all of this power, so we keep going there to enjoy it, and every time someone goes there, it changes the face of it a little more and makes it a little more dependent upon who is there.  The &#039;magic&#039; of Disneyland would be very different for a theme park full of 60-year-old than for a park full of 6-year-olds, or at least I&#039;d like to think so.  

With the feigning/simulating thing, I agree that they are more alike than Baudrillard is willing to admit.  As a person who has tried the &#039;too-sick-to-go-to-school&#039; thing, I was under the impression that simulation was an essential part of any good feign.  I think that the stomache ache is a perfect example, because the more you complain about your stomache ache, the worse it gets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Disneyland thing&#8230;I think that is exactly what Baudrillard is aiming for.  We like to think that this place has all of this power, so we keep going there to enjoy it, and every time someone goes there, it changes the face of it a little more and makes it a little more dependent upon who is there.  The &#8216;magic&#8217; of Disneyland would be very different for a theme park full of 60-year-old than for a park full of 6-year-olds, or at least I&#8217;d like to think so.  </p>
<p>With the feigning/simulating thing, I agree that they are more alike than Baudrillard is willing to admit.  As a person who has tried the &#8216;too-sick-to-go-to-school&#8217; thing, I was under the impression that simulation was an essential part of any good feign.  I think that the stomache ache is a perfect example, because the more you complain about your stomache ache, the worse it gets.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Horkeimer and Adorno by John Urbanski</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Urbanski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree 100%.  These guys just rip apart movies like no one&#039;s buisness.  The only thing I could think of was the fact that they did come from WWII Germany and probably would be disgusted by the more laid back life of Americans when it comes to intellectual things, but still what&#039;s the point of having movies if you don&#039;t want to be entertained?  I know I&#039;m not going to pay 10 dollars to sit there and be bored out of my mind for 2 hours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree 100%.  These guys just rip apart movies like no one&#8217;s buisness.  The only thing I could think of was the fact that they did come from WWII Germany and probably would be disgusted by the more laid back life of Americans when it comes to intellectual things, but still what&#8217;s the point of having movies if you don&#8217;t want to be entertained?  I know I&#8217;m not going to pay 10 dollars to sit there and be bored out of my mind for 2 hours.</p>
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