04.15.07

Jean Baudrillard

Posted in Uncategorized at 9:35 pm by joei5

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There he is, the man who confused the heck out of me! Is he also against entertainment? I wasn’t really sure which way he was leaning. Something interesting that stuck out was on page 1733 where he says “Something has disappeared: the sovereign difference between them that was the abstraction’s charm. For it is the difference which forms the poetry of the map and the charm of the territory, the magic of the concept and the charm of the real.” Is he saying that the main reason behind everything has changed? That there is no true distinction between what is real and what is not? There isn’t charm to anything anymore, it is not genuine, everything is being done to keep others happy?

On page 1734 Baudrillard goes on to explain the difference between someone who feigns or simulates in illness. He says that “someone who feigns an illness can simply go to bed and make believe he is ill. Someone who simulates an illness produces in himself some of the symptoms.” Meaning that when someone simulates an illness it is hard to distinguish if they truly are sick, or if they’re faking it. It’s hard to tell if someone is faking it because they eventually develop a symptom, maybe something small like a stomach ache. You can develop a stomach ache because you’re making your self sick over thinking that you truly are sick. As for feigning an illness, it is easy to see that one isn’t genuinely ill. They’re pretending they’re ill- so it’s easier to distinguish between such characteristics. He gives a good example later down the page, saying one “hesitates to draw the distinction between true and false, between the “produced” symptom and the authentic symptom. ‘If he acts crazy so well, then he must be mad.’” There someone would be jumping to conclusions, if someone is acting crazy, they assume one is mad, they don’t think “Well maybe he’s putting on a show,” the same as if someone claims they are sick, people are usually going to believe that person. One would like to think that someone isn’t trying to get out of work, or school by using the “I’m sick” card.

Unfortunately, Baudrillard lost me when he was speaking of religion. What does he mean when he says “One can live with the idea of distorted truth?” When religion is taught to us, is it distorted?

So I got really excited when I started reading his section on Disneyland! He talks about dreams and how when you go to Disneyland, nothing is real. He says “Disneyland is there to conceal the fact that it is the “real” country, all of the “real” America, which is Disneyland.” Is he saying that Disneyland is there to take your mind off of what is really going on in the world? He also says that “The Disneyland imaginary is neither truth nor false, it is a deterrence machine set up in order to rejuvenate in reverse the fiction of the real.” He also says that “In this imaginary world the only phantasmagoria is in the inherent warmth and affection of the crowd..” and all of the rides or “gadgets” that are there. I thought this was so true because I just went to Disney World 2 weeks ago and my brother and I went to the Magic Kingdom one night– It was so exciting and fun because there were so many people around, laughing and having a good time. When it started to clear out it’s like the fun died out with it. We were there late because they had extended hours, so it was open until 3am. When all the families with kids started piling out, it’s like the magic of it all left with them. The park was quiet and dark and it just wasn’t as fun, even though the rides were still open and running. It’s all really interesting to think about…

3 Comments »

  1. estherspace said,

    The Disneyland thing…I think that is exactly what Baudrillard is aiming for. We like to think that this place has all of this power, so we keep going there to enjoy it, and every time someone goes there, it changes the face of it a little more and makes it a little more dependent upon who is there. The ‘magic’ of Disneyland would be very different for a theme park full of 60-year-old than for a park full of 6-year-olds, or at least I’d like to think so.

    With the feigning/simulating thing, I agree that they are more alike than Baudrillard is willing to admit. As a person who has tried the ‘too-sick-to-go-to-school’ thing, I was under the impression that simulation was an essential part of any good feign. I think that the stomache ache is a perfect example, because the more you complain about your stomache ache, the worse it gets.

  2. hey Joei. I was hoping that the class discussion today was going to help me out a lot on this reading but obviously that didn’t happen because we didn’t have class haha. I agreed with a lot of your blog. I found this piece to be pretty confusing too. As for the Disneyland part, I found it really interesting too and it seems like you had a really good take on it. I wrote about the part that he wrote about being “sick” as well, I found it really interesting and it was one of the few portions that made sense to me. The religion part really threw me off, I thought maybe it might relate to Derrida in some ways but hopefully the class discussion will clear this up for us!

  3. Joei

    To talk about Disneyland, what I got from that part of the article was that we created Disneyland, as well as places like that, in an attempt to reaffirm ourselves that what we have is real. Disney and all other amusement parks are places of fantasy with things that do not exist on the outside, this is meant to prove that our lives are real because they are not like Disneyland. Baudrillard is saying that is not true, “Disneyland is presented as imaginary in order to make us believe that the rest is real, when in fact all of Los Angeles and the America surrounding it are no longer real, but of the order of the hyperreal and of simulation.”


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